Google Sandbox effect and New Site Penalties

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[bigmallrat]

I'm so frustrated with Google and this sandbox theory.
I show up in Google local, I show up in Google images. But regular Google? Forget it. A few pages now show, but they rank poorly and ever day they drop position a significant number .
I no longer think it's a sandbox issue, but a poorly designed page issue. After removing the excessive keyword phrases, Yahoo has rewarded me with high rankings. I concede that I must be a bad Web designer. Too many SEO software programs gave me bad advice. Plus, the duplicate pages from my old site won't go away on Google (which makes me think my newer site is being penalized for being a duplicate). I constantly use the Remove URL feature in Google, but their "it should take 5 days" is a joke. It's been a month and nothing from them.
Anyway, when I check my pages position on Google, much of the results have nothing to do with the search phrase. Sometimes, the keyword phrase doesn't even appear at all on the page that ranks high. I report each and every violator of their TOS, but I'm loosing faith in Google search. It's like the search phrase is completely disregarded and instead, they rely on some other method. Meanwhile, Ask.com, Yahoo.com, and MSN.com give me top ranking for many of my pages. Has Google lost its marbles?
Thanks,
Scott

[donnie]

hmmm, does your html tables play a role in top ranks on the search engines? like nested tables? I seen a guy post something in a webmaster forum once, on how to do something and i showed him how to do it with nested tables and he didnt want to do nested tables at all? maybe nested tables hurt you ?

[bigmallrat]

Hi,
That's a great question. I don't know. I supposedly used "SEO Optimized" tables. In fact, I'm actually switching to pages with less tables, but I will still have tables and nested tables (just not as many). I'm not familiar enough with css styles to not use tables anymore.
I wonder if anyone knows?
Thanks,
Scott

[mark5022]

Is there a way to know your in the sandbox? My site only ranks for 1 keyword in Google and is #31 but makes wide swings daily from 340th to 31st. Does that mean I'm in the sandbox or does it mean google thinks my site sucks on some days? The site was put up in April of this year.
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[quadra]

There is noway to know you are in sandbox, but if your site is less than 6 months old and not ranking for anything then that would be an indication. However, I have seen sites rank in as little as 3 months in Google and the way they did it is by creating quality incoming links. The site was a Poker/Casino Review site, which is pretty competetive. However, it contained a lot of content and fresh daily additions in form of visitors posting reviews and also recieved oneway links from visitors that liked teh site. The site had probably around 100 links or so in 3 months when it was out of sandbox. So what do we learn from this? The following may help you get out of sandbox faster:

1- Quality links from relevant websites, including one-way links
2- Quantity of links. Over 100 links may help
3- A lot of content and fresh content
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[bigmallrat]

Hi,
Use the free Sandbox Detection Tool at http://www.seomoz.org/
It's a pretty good tool to give you a general idea.
Scott

[bigmallrat]

Well, Yahoo updated and I'm ranking very well on all my pages. Traffic has doubled. But Google? Nothing.
In fact, the number of links to my site has decreased. All of my pages (some odd 90) point to my home page, but Google only counts 14 of them (it was 16 until today). I wonder if that means anything?
Scott
http://www.bigmallrat.com

[plastic surgeon]

I'm noticing that delay on the counting of new IBLs on the sites that we promote. It's quite frustrating since customers are not really patient.

for me that measure doesn't make sense because it doesn't spam at all. Just delay it.
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[bigmallrat]

I think Google is turning into another big and bloated company that is loosing its customer-centric focus. Their delaying mechanism is baffling. At 6 months, poeople told me to wait 7 months. At 7 months, people told me to wait 8 months. 9 months later, I'm tops on Yahoo, Ask, and MSN, but nowhere to be found in a Google SER.
Oh, you need inbound links, they say. How can I get inbound links if no one can find my pages, I say. A catch-22?
What can I do? I ask Google. We are too busy buying up the world, responds Google.
Scott

[lajocar]

I have a website for approximately 3 months now. Some of my keywords and phrase queries rank in the the top 10 of google, yahoo and msn, but I only get a a couple of hits a day. I wonder if my site is in the sandbox?
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[bigmallrat]

If your site is in the sandbox, then you wouldn't get decent rankings. So, if your kewords and phrase queries rank in the top 10 (and congratulations, btw), then you aren't in the sandbox.
So, if you are only getting a couple hits a day, it must be something else.
Scott
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[abraxas]

Hi all,

I've just found somehow this forum and got reading, reading until came here... really liked it - nice opinions from experience
So, my question is how do you really can detect if sandboxed? I've checked the link given by Scott, but it is a future tool...
First to say I am new to webdesign, but not to SEO. So I've decided to give a try and built few STATIC HTML ONLY, and AS MUCH AS I KNOW SEO-FRIENDLY sites.
They are form late August/beg. of Sept. and the strangiest is that the newest has almost all of its pages indexed by Google, while the first/the 1 from the signature/, the 1 which I'm mainly looking for and optimizing has now just 20 pages cached..they were about 40-50 firstly-almost all, and now the site has about 100+ pages! However, it appears somehow in Google's results, but is not comparable with these of MSN - MSN has indexed the whole site I think. And also Google displays only 12 links to it as they should be around 100 I think.
Does this all mean it is sandboxed? There are few pages on it with Adsense, not comparable with the other newer sites, which have on almost all pages and have less backlinks.
Additionally, I've tried some of these PR predicting tools - they all say PR~3-4 after the next update...but I don't really believe them.
Any ideas and comments are appreaciated!
p.s. I've submited the sites to google as well as a site maps.

Cheers
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[BTDINO]

I have had page 1 listings in a little over aweek for comptative listings

The sand box does not exist.

All you need is powerful links and no penalties.

There are many ways to get penilized.

If you get penilized you are in the penilty box.

Penilties very from a few page drop to out right ban.

sometime google will forgive you if you undo it.
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[abraxas]

Thank you BTDINO,

But I don't think I did smth to be penilized in general. However, my sites are really very 'young', so maybe google don't like many fast links, especially reciprocal ones to such sites...time will tell Maybe i've just been hasty with rec.links and affiliates.
Anyway, Im glad there are other SE's except google still, actually I've never searched in google before getting involved into a SEO job and now with my sites...but people do, as you know, so that's what defines the search engine market.

Cheers
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