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 Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:43 pm Post subject: Google Sandbox effect and New Site Penalties |
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There has been a lot of talk lately about a recent Google algorithm change known as Sandbox Affect. Basically, Google is delaying the consideration of new links towards any site for 3-4 months. They have implemented this to combat spammers who hope to gain rankings by way of createing link farms and network of cross linked sites.
Unfortuantly, this has also hit everybody else hard. Now everybody needs to wait at least 3-4 months to see improvements to their results after they do legit link exchange or link purchases.
This algo change is also what is causing new sites to not rank high right away and has also become to be known as the New Site Penalty.
I have personally evidenced the above algo change and it's affect on many sites thats we have optimized for our clients.
It is unfortuante that the spammers and black hat optimizers have made everything so hard for those who use white hat optimization.
I have a suggestion for Google: why not use the sandbox affect only for the industeries that do a lot of spam, such as casinos, adult and online pharmacies.
If you have any comments about this, please post.
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Edgar
Joined: 15 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Several of my sites are in the sandbox right now but two of them recently got out. I could tell by noticing a sudden jump in traffic coming from google. |
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Ultraseeker
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone have any updates on this matter? Anything published about it from Google? It just seems so sad that so many people depend on Google...
Thanks.
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dyn4mik3
Joined: 08 Feb 2005
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Location: California
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: |
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I'm still trying to figure this one - I've been following all the news about the sandbox and I'm sure it exsists.
Most of my new sites are stuck in the sandbox except for one (which is ranking quite well).
Just keep doing what you would be doing and when the site comes out of the sandbox you'll be rewarded for your hardwork.
In the meanwhile you can always focus on other SEs. MSN is indexing/ranking extremely fast.
The site that was never sandboxed followed a very cautious and slow link building process.
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myoriental
Joined: 12 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: Poor Visibility |
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Hi Guys - this talk about the 'sandbox' effect etc is getting me worried - I've just set up a new ecommerce site www.MyOriental.com but I cant be found on google even though I have submitted it 2-3 times in the last few weeks.
Anyone with any ideas?
Sumit
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coop99
Joined: 30 Jul 2005
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Location: Seattle, WA
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Poor Visibility |
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| myoriental wrote: | Hi Guys - this talk about the 'sandbox' effect etc is getting me worried - I've just set up a new ecommerce site www.MyOriental.com but I cant be found on google even though I have submitted it 2-3 times in the last few weeks.
Anyone with any ideas? |
Be patient, your site is not yet indexed in Google. If you have already submitted via the "suggest url" method you can expect it to take a few weeks to get indexed. If you want to speed things up for yourself just get some quality links pointed at your index page so that the SE spiders can more easily access your site.
Your site is not even in the Google index, so I doubt you are in the sandbox, but since it is a newer site you may see sandboxing later on down the road.
Google crawling has been limited lately in my opinion, so that may be a reason it is taking a while to get indexed by Google.
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mytemplat2
Joined: 13 Nov 2005
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Location: Romania
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:06 am Post subject: I got out |
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I got out from google sandbox after 3 months ( i counted all days) hehehe,
and in that perion I exchanged some links with high reanked and relevant websites.
Now i have PR5-6.
It is not as hard as we think it is.
patience is the best.
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bigmallrat
Joined: 13 Nov 2005
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Location: Castro Valley, CA
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:51 am Post subject: But how long? |
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Hi,
But how much longer? is what I constantly question. My site has been up and running since April 2005, yet only 3 of my pages (out of, about 90) actually show up in a Google search (and they are so far down, no one would look that far). They are indexed.
Some of my pages contain the only pertinant subject matter for my keyword phrase on Google, yet you'll never find the page. Funny thing is, on MSN, I'm number 1 in many places (guess that doesn't say too much).
Another odd thing, some pages show up well in Google Local and Google Images.
For example, keyword phrase "princeton plaza mall" for page http://www.bigmallrat.com/shopping-malls/cities/san-jose/princeton-plaza-mall.html
I'd appreciate any advice or ideas anyone has (go ahead, rip it to shreds... okay no, be nice).
Thanks,
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coop99
Joined: 30 Jul 2005
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Location: Seattle, WA
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: But how long? |
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| bigmallrat wrote: | Hi,
But how much longer? |
I was in for 9 months at the longest and 3 at the shorest is what I have heard. No one really knows, but one thing is forsure if you get stapped as being in for 9 months, there is no getting out until that day passes!
After the nine month mark, your google golden (given you have followed their guidelines and are not practicing black hat tactics to achieve your search engine ranking.
Try building links if you are in the sandbox, this will get you a little traffic and will also do nicely for you once you get passed your time stamp. Be patient you will not miss the day you start showing in the results higher!
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bigmallrat
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I think I may have tried to hard to manipulate my pages to show in Google, and now my pages just suck.
Although today, Yahoo has been treating me well. A few of my pages debuted at number 1. Is that a sign of things to come?
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obiztek
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
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Location: India
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:27 am Post subject: |
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For any new website 3-6 months of time it takes to come out of sandbox.Even if you apprea before that but do not count on it as for stability it takes time
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donnie
Joined: 24 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: php? |
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| i heard, having php pages stops bots from crawling your pages, i guess if you use the include tags to do your header's and footers? |
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Edgar
Joined: 15 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:02 am Post subject: Re: php? |
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| donnie wrote: | | i heard, having php pages stops bots from crawling your pages, i guess if you use the include tags to do your header's and footers? |
Not necessarily, php pages are fine as long as they don't contain a long url such as a session id.
example:
Good url:
aboutus.php
Bad url:
aboutus.php?sessid=03553287436439659666835586034
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donnie
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| how do you know if your still in the sandbox? my website has been up and going now for about 4 going on 5 months. and i only get around 3 or 4 hits from google a day. =( but my google page rank is at 2. I have alot of pages at least 70 to 90 with alot of good key words and pertains to my site! maybe its going to take the full 9 months? =\ |
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megri
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Location: Chandigarh India
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